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Are you dead?
Yes.
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And did you die a Jew in the camps?
I died with each of them and all of them. When you kill a being, you kill all being. I die a million times a day. I am dying now, being murdered, being starved, devoured by bacteria, crushed, burned, shot, cut, slaughtered. But I am also being born, awakening into new life, playing in grass, discovering the hidden truths of nature, enjoying the sunshine, reading, eating, engaging in every sexual delight known, all now, all here, always.
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And you are in ecstasy?
(He only gazed at me in answer.)
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Then you are still here, a dead man among the living. You didn't leave when you ascended?
All leave, nobody leaves. Ascension is not a matter of flying off to some place in the sky, it is a matter of expanding the being to fill the universe. You may ascend beyond time and infinity, but you will still be here, as we all are.
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Where is here?
Everywhere.
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Ah. I'm lost.
All being includes all elements of the earth, and thus all are part of all bodies. We are the consciousness of the planetary level that it has spent all of its life evolving, each and all of us. My being is the awakening earth. As is yours. The destiny of earth and the destiny of man are one. If we kill earth, we kill ourselves. If we die before our time, then we will not be able to enter ecstasy as a whole being. You are not a whole being, child. And “Whitley” is only a tiny part of you. All mankind in all time is a whole being.
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If we kill earth before we have all reached ecstasy, what happens?
We wait until and if the earth spins elemental bodies once again that fit all the attachments of our energetic bodies. If it does not, then we wait forever. We remain incomplete.
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What would this waiting be like?
Energetic bodies hunger to be radiant. They taste of ecstasy and want desperately to find their way to the completion of joy. But energetic bodies need return to time to reconstruct what of themselves impedes their ecstasy. If they cannot, they must suffer the anguish of regret and the pain of being able to see, but not enter, joy. When you taste of ecstasy, your hunger for more is appalling. It is
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What if earth never “spins” these new bodies?
We will join others in the same state. There are many.
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We would be a species in hell, in effect?
We would be constantly aware that we had missed ecstasy. This pain I suffer now would last forever.
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So the eternal joy of humankind depends upon the health of the earth?
Completely.
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We think of ourselves as individuals. My sins are my own. My neighbor's sins are his problem.
Every joy, every sorrow, every good, every evil belongs to all. All are responsible for all. All are dependent upon all. Humanity is one.
But not all intelligent life. We are one species, but are there not others?
God is one. Ultimately, all being seeks to join all ecstasy. It is the destiny of every stone, every star, every intelligent creature and simple creature, to become the word. And the word, then, will be made flesh.
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I don't understand. Hasn't that already happened?
It is always happening. But there will come a time when the stars themselves fall. The universe is breathing, expanding and contracting. It has happened many times before. Eventually, it will all contract to something no bigger than a baseball. Then it will explode again, journeying once more through the vastness. Each time it dies, though, it is reborn at a new and higher intensity. Eventually, there will come a moment when its rebirth is so energetic that the velocity of the “big bang” will exceed the speed of light. At that instant, the material world will, itself, go beyond time. Then the prophecy will be fulfilled,
“I am.”
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And we are all part of God?
We are not part of God, we are God.
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And all other species, what of them?
The tree, the worm, the wolf. All are God.
Worms are eternal beings?
Even the smallest spark unto itself is great.
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Then the fly and the rat are ascended beings?
They cannot change. You can change. Look to your own soul.
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God, then, is in the fragments?
God is like a hologram. The whole is fully present in every fragment, no matter how small.
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So the whole of God is in the tip of my finger?
The whole of God is in a grain of sand. In a single electron. A quark.
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I had not thought of God as a hologram before.
Infinite consciousness is in everything. In your pajama. In my sweater. All knowledge is present in every cell, every spark of fire, bit of trash.
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That'sâit's appalling.
The universe is the flesh of God.
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But I have no access to the whole. I feel like a little fragment. I don't even know if I have a soul. And I certainly don't feel like part of God.
This is a fallen world and you are an imperfect being.
The essence of your imperfection is that you cannot see yourself as you are. Many lives must live before this will change. Mankind is a community of about ten billion fragments, and each must become transparent to the light of God before we, as a species, can journey on.
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Earlier you seemed to imply that you were an alien. Then God. Now you're human. What are you?
Whatever you say.
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A useful thing to be. How many human beings from earth have become radiant bodies?
About half.
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Half! I thought it would be fifty or a hundred at most.
Humanity is a tremendous engine of the sacred. But among the living, there are only as many such beings present as absolutely essential for the welfare of the others.
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How can we tell who's ascended and who isn't?
The meek shall inherit the earth. Understand this, and you will find them by what is in their hearts.
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Who are the meek?
Those who are humble enough in self-will to surrender to higher will.
How can we tell if we are surrendered to higher will?
Go to the children. They will tell you with their eyes what you are.
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Could we ever be rescued, if we destroy the earth before we were finished perfecting ourselves?
Nobody can change except inside the stream of time. Outside of it nothing changes. Nothing can. We enter the time stream by inserting our energetic bodies into elemental bodies on this planet of which we were born.
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What about going to another planet?
The leaf cannot grow on another tree.
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It can be grafted.
If you are given leave to enter the interstellar world in the elemental body, you will go as the others do, from a firm foundation of radiant being. But if you destroy your world, you die here.
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We could travel the stars?
If you are good householders, you may participate in the life of the whole city of God. There exists a world now that is waiting for human help. Just as your world is being helped by others now.
What form does this help take?
It is a process of creating questions that can neither be borne nor answered. You know this.
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I have written of itâevolutionary pressure. It explains what's being done to usâthe theatrical appearance of UFOs in the sky, the assaults on us by night, the ferocious official secrecy, the collapse of the environmentâall of it.
It is all part of the plan of your evolution. Pisces, the little fish, will be poured out onto dry land by the stream of Aquarius. Then, how will you live? How will you breathe? You will make a leap of evolution. You will square the circle or die.
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Now what about this other world you mentioned, waiting for our help?
You will be the aliens one day, to these others. Bear in mind that, if you do not survive, then they will never receive your help. Your welfare is essential to theirs, just as you depended, without knowing it, upon those who are here for you.
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Have you traveled to other worlds?
I belong to many worlds.
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Are you from another planet that is like ours?
I am human.
What's it like, going to another planet?
Other worlds exist on many different levels, and contain beings of many different levels and appearances. The details from world to world can be very different. But the basic laws of reality remain the same.
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Which is why the visitors communicate with me in Masonic terms?
Precisely. Three is three and seven is seven. The craft is God's plan for freedom.
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You are endorsing Masonry?
I am endorsing the craft in its most impeccable form. Where the craft is secret, there is danger of corruption.
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It's become a charitable and social group in the United States.
Not entirely.
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Why is it secret?
It was the government of the world in early times. But the world fell. After humanity ceased to be surrendered to the law of God, the craft had to become secret in order to stay alive.
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How do you travel to other planets?
You must learn to manipulate mass.
Manipulate mass?
The mass of bodies can be controlled by those who know the secret.
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Will we learn it?
When it is time, all will come to you. But remember, it is you who will choose the time. You exist on many levels, the living in their levels and the dead in their levels. Man is governed from the radiant level.
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But our world is dying and falling into chaos? How can we be governed poorly from such a high level?
Man is a child. Children govern children with the wisdom of children.
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There are aliens here?
Using you and guiding you.
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We're being exploited?
You are, but also helped. You are being guided to your place as guides of another world.
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What will we do for this other world?
You will draw it toward ecstasy just as your mentors draw you toward ecstasy. Right now, there are brilliant creatures there looking at the sky and devouring the flesh of their own children, just as you did. Unless you help them, they will not make their evolutionary leap in time, and will go extinct.
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Whose responsibility would that be?
All are responsible for all.
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How many worlds are there like ours, like theirs?
The planets that can sustain complex elemental bodies are not many. However, the elements of which they are made occur in various patterns, and the form of evolution depends upon the chemical makeup of the planet upon which it occurs. So there are worlds where creatures look very much like us. There are worlds where they are quite different.
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Could aliens walk among us without our noticing?
By bending light, they can be invisible, and walk here to some extent, and also by using means to prevent you from looking at them by influencing your mind from a distance. But there are also those patterned on the same template as you, and they walk freely here. It is their job to enforce secrecy. This is the source of all the confusion about this. They appear, for example, to be part of your government, but they only use it as camouflage and as a source of power. Human institutions do not control the secrecy. It is controlled from a higher level.
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Are you on that level?
Yes.
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Another world is in control of this one?
Yes.
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What about all the horrors that happen here?
Remember that man has two sides, light and dark. To see the light, you must bear the darkness.
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How do they control this world?
By planning, and they use mind control.
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Am I under mind control?
The opposite. The technological intervention that has occurred in your case has been done to make certain that general fields of control will not affect you.
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General fields of control?
Directional suggestion that is applied to all who are enhanced electrically. This is the means of control of military and government.
Telepathy?
Radio frequencies. Extremely sensitive circuits can pick up and decode thought. Microwaves can be used to project thought into the brain. But the fields of which I speak are much more general. They create tendencies. The desire is to preserve the maximum amount of freedom in the maximum number of individuals.
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Have any people from earth ever gone to other worlds?
A whole world of human beings has been evolved artificially off the planet, and they come and go freely.