Read On the Nature of the Universe (Oxford World’s Classics) Online
Authors: Ronald Melville,Don,Peta Fowler
For when they are without body they’re not plagued | |
With illnesses or cold or hunger. No, | |
The body it is that suffers all these ills | |
And the mind is often sick through contact with it. | |
Suppose, however, that they find it useful | 735 |
To have a body to enter, there’s no way | |
That they can do this. Spirits therefore do not | |
Make bodies for themselves. Nor is it possible | |
That they creep into bodies already made; | |
For then they’d never make the subtle links | |
They have with body, and the touch of common feeling. | 740 |
Another point. Why are lions strong and fierce | |
And foxes cunning, and deer timid and swift, | |
And every animal has its character | |
Born in it, when its life begins? It’s breed | 745 |
That does this, the fixed power of mind conjoined | |
Working with body to establish it. | |
But if it were immortal and could pass | |
From body to body, then the behaviour | |
Of animals would be all mixed up. The hound | 750 |
Would flee before the charging stag’s attack, | |
The hawk would tremble, flying through the air | |
From the dove pursuing it. Reason, in men | |
No more, to the wild beasts of the field | |
Would move her seat. So false it is to say | |
That an immortal spirit can be altered | 755 |
By a change of body. For that which changes is | |
Dissolved and therefore perishes, since its parts | |
Are transposed, and move from their positions. | |
Wherefore throughout the limbs these parts must be | |
Capable of being dissolved and in the end | |
Die when the body dies, along with it. | |
But what if human spirits always go | 760 |
Into human bodies? Then I still ask why | |
A foolish spirit can be made of a wise one, | |
Why children are never wise, and why a foal, | |
Well trained though it may be, can’t match a horse. | |
No doubt they’ll tell you that in a tender body | 765 |
The mind becomes tender. But even if this is so, | |
The spirit must still be mortal, since being changed | |
In the body it loses so much life and feeling. | |
And how could any mind in any body | |
Grow strong and reach the longed-for flower of life | 770 |
Unless from the beginning it were its consort? | |
Why does it want to flee from limbs grown old? | |
Does it fear that a rotting corpse will be its prison | |
Or that its house worn by the years will fall | |
And crush it? But the immortal has no dangers. | 775 |
And really it is ridiculous to imagine | |
That spirits at the coupling and birth of animals | |
Stand waiting to get in, immortal spirits | |
Awaiting mortal bodies, numberless, | |
Jostling and fighting to get in. Unless, that is, | 780 |
They’ve made some sort of contract among themselves, | |
First come first served, that puts an end to squabbling. | |
To continue. A tree can’t grow in the sky, nor clouds | |
Float in the sea, nor fish live on dry land, | 785 |
Nor blood exist in logs nor sap in stones. | |
Everything has its place, certain and fixed, | |
Where it must live and grow and have its being. | |
So mind cannot arise without the body | |
Alone, nor exist apart from blood and sinews. | |
But if the mind (and this would be much easier) | 790 |
Could be by itself in head or shoulders or heels | |
And be born in any part, still it would stay | |
In the same man, the same vessel, enclosed. | |
And since, within the body, mind and spirit | |
By a fixed rule and ordinance are given | |
The place where they may live and grow apart, | 795 |
It is clearly all the more impossible | |
For them to live and last outside the body. | |
Wherefore when body has died you must confess | |
That spirit through body torn has also died. | |
It really is quite stupid to suppose | |
That mortal with immortal can be joined | |
And feel as one and act upon each other. | |
What could be more absurd and inconsistent | |
And contradictory than this: that mortal | |
Linked with immortal could weather furious storms? | 805 |
Few things there are that last eternally. | |
First, solid bodies that repel assaults, | |
And allow nothing to penetrate them | |
And break apart the close-knit parts within, | |
Such as the atomic particles of matter | 810 |
The nature of which we have described before; | |
Next, things which last through all the length of time | |
Because no blow can hit them; such is the void, | |
Which stays untouched and nothing can ever strike it; | |
Next, things which have no space around them | 815 |
Into which they can dissolve and be dispersed; | |
Such is the eternal sum of the sum of things. | |
Outside it nowhere any place exists | |
Into which its elements can spring away, | |
And nothing exists to impact it or destroy it. | |
But if you think the spirit is immortal | |
Because it’s fortified against all forms of death, | 820 |
Or nothing ever comes to do it harm | |
Or, if it does, for some reason turns back | |
Repulsed before we can see what harm it does, | |
Yet many ills and dangers harass it. | |
It sickens when the body itself is sick; | |
But that’s not all; for often something comes, | 825 |
Some doubt about the future that tortures it, | |
Racks it with fear and wears it out with worry. | |
Remorse about the past for evil done | |
Bites it, with madness and forgetfulness, | |
And lethargy’s black waters cover it. | |
Therefore death nothing is to us, nothing | 830 |
That matters at all, since mind we know is mortal. | |
Long years ago, when the Phoenicians | |
Were coming in upon us from all sides, | |
When the world shook with the tumult of war | |
And quaked, and shivered to the heights of heaven, | 835 |
When all men doubted where by land and sea | |
The victory would lie, we were untroubled. | |
So, when the end shall come, when the close bonds | |
Of body and spirit that hold us here shall part | |
And we shall be no more, nothing can harm us | 840 |
Or make us feel, since nothing of us remains, | |
Though earth be joined with sea and sea with sky. | |
And if it were true that mind and spirit can still | |
Have feeling torn from the body, that means to us | |
Nothing, since the marriage bonds of body and spirit | 845 |
Weld us together in one single whole. | |
No more, again, if time should after death | |
Collect our matter and bring it back, and if | |
The lights of life were given back to us, | |
Would that concern us, not one whit, when once | 850 |
Our memory of ourselves has passed away. | |
And nothing now comes back to us from that self | |
That was before, nor from it now can fear | |
Or anguish ever touch us. | |
When you review the whole past length of time | 855 |
Existing measureless, and think how mixed | |
And various the motions of matter are, | |
You will easily believe that the same seeds | |
Of which we now are made, have often before | |
Been placed in the positions they are now in. | |
But memory cannot recall it, since in between | |
A great gulf is fixed, a halt of life, and all | 860 |
The wandering motions have been scattered far | |
From things we know. If in a future time | |
A man is to suffer pain and misery, | |
He must exist, or else he could not feel it. | |
But death makes this impossible and forbids | |
The man to exist to whom these ills could come. | 865 |
Therefore we may be certain that in death | |
There is nothing to fear, that he who does not exist | |
Cannot feel pain, that it makes no difference | |
Whether or not a man has been born before, | |
When death the immortal has taken his mortal life. | |
So when you see a man resent his fate | 870 |
That after death his body in the tomb | |
Must rot, or perish in flames or by wild beasts, | |
You will know that he rings false, that in his heart | |
Lies deep some hidden sting, though he denies | |
That he believes there’s feeling after death. | 875 |